What did you tell her?
I said you might be there or you might not.
That's the way. Spin it round.
Well, I reckon there's more chance of me not being there at the moment.
Oh, well, she'll get over it.
- Is it up there somewhere? - Yeah.
G'day, mate.
Craig Cody's gone, mate.
Oh, what do you mean?
We've had to drop him.
He found the listening device. In Bendigo.
He sounded unhinged so they went in to apprehend him.
He lost the plot. Had to drop him.
Why didn't anyone call me? I would've got the soggies up there.
There was no time for that, mate. He just lost the plot.
Alright, give me a sec to think.
I'm having trouble trying to find my positive spin.
I'm usually very good at it.
Usually it's right there and I can just have it.
But I'm having trouble finding it now.
I don't know why.
People just don't listen, do they?
You know, if you hadn't have got in his ear, Mum,
about turning himself in,
there'd be none of this shit, none of this carry-on.
Did you think about that? Did you?
Fuckin' gone and spooked him.
Now look what's fuckin' happened.
Stop hitting me! I didn't kill him.
I thought that's what we did.
We take it out on whoever turns up.
Don't, alright?
- Leave her alone. - I'm alright, J.
Just... just relax.
- Come here, mate. - Don't you touch him.
- Come here. - Relax.
- Come here, you little... - Don't you touch him!
G'day, Josh. I've got some bad news, mate.
Yeah, he knows the bad news.
Is everything OK here?
Yeah. Everything's great.
You alright, mate?
He's fine, Mr Leckie.
Josh, I'd like you to come down to St Kilda Road with me, if that's OK.
Hey, what's he done? Tell me. I'll make sure he gets disciplined.
Will you come with me, Josh?
What do you want to talk to him about? Talk to me about it.
We'll speak to you again at a later time when we're ready.
I might, um... might have some information for you
about those two murdered police.
I've been asking around a bit
and there's a few theories floating around
but I don't know if any of them are true or not
but might be able to help you with your investigations.
Oh, thanks for that.
Will you come with me, Josh?
You go, love.
I'll call Ezra.
Go put your shoes on.
I'm not currently in a position to discuss what happened today
but I can arrange for counselling services to visit,
should you require any.
Hope you find the killers.
Yeah, so do I.
You know you're not alone, right?
We'll get you through this, mate.
OK?
This is a record of interview between
Detective Senior Sergeant Nathan Leckie and Joshua Daniel Cody.
Present is solicitor Ezra White.
Now, I'll remind you again, Josh.
You're under no obligation to say anything at this point in time
but anything you do say can be used as evidence
in any future court appearances.
- You understand that? - Yes, he understands that.
OK.
OK, now, picking up where we left off when we last spoke,
you were telling us how upset your uncles were
over the death of Barry Brown.
Can you remember what was said or any... any comments that were made
at that time exactly?
Josh, has Mr White provided you with advice
in respect to how you should conduct yourself in this interview today?
Yes, he'll be remaining mute.
OK, I can appreciate you've been advised not to say anything to me,
but the sooner you help us with our inquiries,
the sooner we can scratch you off the list and move onto a different line.
You do understand that, don't you?
Nothing else you want to say at this point?
There wasn't a good feeling in the room.
Leckie was running the whole
Yesterday you were very helpful routine.
That was probably for my benefit.
But I don't know.
Look, he's just a kid. Kids are stupid, they're weak.
He may think he's doing the right thing
but really, you know, his foot's covered in dog shit
and he's got it stuck right in his mouth.
I'm pretty surprised you let him get anywhere near to you, to be honest.
- I told you to go get that car. - No, you didn't.
- I told you to go get the car. - No, you didn't!
You never fuckin' mentioned it to me once, Pope!
I don't want to hear this.
You've just gotta be worried about what he's doing.
He's a big kid. He can look after himself.
Can he, now? Can he handle police?
It's a totally different kettle of fish.
What should we do?
I'd start by keeping an eagle eye on him, that's for sure.
Where is he now?
He's in his room with his girlfriend.
Is he? What's she doing here?
Really?
Yeah, well, we'll do it anyway.
Yeah, cool.
OK. Well, call me back.
Is he talking to her?
How should I know?
Mate, I can't help you with the how part.
You've just gotta be looking out for this shit, you know?
What? So he's my responsibility now?
I'll call you tomorrow.
This is bullshit.
Well, you know I'm not fucking telling them anything.
Mate, the cops are serious about this thing, J.
And they're onto you like a rash.
So if you just stick close by, everyone will keep calm.
- What am I supposed to do? - How the fuck should I know?
Go in your room and do some colouring in.
I've gotta go get him. Yeah.
- Hey, J, Danielle wants to... - Can you give us a minute here?
- Why? What's going on? - Don't be a stickybeak. Just...
Danielle just wants to talk to you for a sec.
I'll talk to her in a minute.
Look, mate, I don't know if you want to hear this or not but...
.. I would think pretty hard about giving her the flick.
- I don't know what you have or... - Haven't been telling her anything.
Life will be easier if you just cut her loose, J.
Believe me.
She shouldn't be hanging around here right now.
This has got nothing to do with me.
Mate, everything has got to do with everyone.
Don't you fucking understand that?
Do you understand that, J?
- J, do... - Yes!
Thank you.
Maybe it's just for a little while.
I just need some space and that.
For what?
Just some things I gotta do.
Do you love me?
Yeah.
Why?
'Cause you're nice.
Please don't get upset, Nicky.
G'day, Josh.
Oh, what the fuck...
We need to talk, mate.
No, we don't.
- Are you alright? - She's fine.
Am I, fuckwit?
Oh, come on, where are you going, Nicky?
Can you just go away?
We can either talk in here or outside.
- There's nothing to talk about. - I will arrest you if I have to.
- What for? - Under-age drinking.
Oh, give me a fuckin' break.
You want me to make a scene?
- Hey. - Is J here?
No, J, he's... he's gone down to the shops.
But, um, come in. Come and wait for him if you want. He won't be long.
Have a seat.
Did he say how long he'd be?
Uh... no, he won't be long.
Where you been tonight?
Just down at the Zanoni.
Zanoni, huh?
Oh, yeah.
Anyone there you know?
Talk to anyone you know?
There was nobody there that I know.
Oh, well, I was about to have a shot but, uh...
You want some?
What is it?
Oh, it's fun.
No, she's just going home.
It's fun.
Have some.
Go ahead. Come on.
Put your arm out.
Come on.
There you go. That's it.
Now, there we go.
There we go.
You been talking to the cops?
What?
About what?
About anything.
Nuh. It's none of my business.
Yeah, yeah, it's your business, isn't it?
When you're in love with someone
and you're whispering sweet nothings in their ears.
Hey? Look at me. Look at me.
I got a call from someone
who told me that you've been talking to the cops.
What cops?
Oh, down at Zanoni's.
You can tell me.
You been talking to the cops?
Come here.
Come here, baby.
Fuck. Pope.
Pope, what the fuck you doing?
What the fuck you doing, Pope?
Pope, what are you doing?
Pope!
Pope, what are you doing?
Please, Pope, stop it, please.
Andrew, please.
Oh, fuck, Pope, what are you doing?
Shit, man.
What the fuck?
You've gone and done it again, haven't you, Darren?
You've smoked yourself silly.
You think something's going on.
Why'd you bring me here?
For your safety.
You want a sip of my drink?
What's the matter?
Are you scared?
Scared of me?
That can't feel too fuckin' good.
Bananas.
Let's go sit outside for a bit, eh?
Just you and me.
You know what the bush is about?
It's about massive trees
that've been standing there for thousands of years
and bugs that'll be dead before the minute's out.
It's big trees and pissy little bugs.
And everything knows its place in the scheme of things.
Everything... everything sits in the order somewhere.
Things survive because they're strong
and... everything reaches an understanding.
But not everything survives because it's strong.
Some creatures are weak,
but they survive because they've been protected by the strong,
for one reason or another.
You may think that because of the circles that you move in or whatever
that you're one of the strong creatures.
But you're not. You're one of the weak ones.
That's nothing against you. You're just weak because you're young.
But you've survived because you've been protected by the strong.
But they're not strong anymore.
And they're certainly not able to protect you.
We're here because we know who you are and we know what you've done.
Now, I know you feel like you're in a tough situation.
But you have an out.
There's nothing your uncles can do to squirm out of this one.
Craig's learnt that the hard way.
But you're not like that. We can see that.
And you know that.
Now, I know they're saying to you
that talking to me is betraying the family.
But they've betrayed you.
The fact that you're talking to me,
the fact that you've been left to deal with us...
...is all the proof that you need.
And you're in danger.
Don't be confused about that.
I think you know.
And I think you know that I can help you.
But I can't keep offering. You've got to decide.
You've got to work out where you fit.
I don't know why you're telling me all of this.
Yes, you do.
OK, we're going home.
Justin, we're leaving, mate.
You know, you can say what you like about Craig,
but at least he was clean.
Hi, sweetie. Where you been?
Uh, just at Nicky's house.
Oh, yeah?
How is she?
Yeah, she's OK.
Hey. Yeah, it's me.
He's here. He's just walked in.
Fuck. Calm down, Darren.
What's wrong, hon?
My fuckin' car keys.
Where the fuck are my car keys?
Give us yours, mate. I'm going to take your car.
What's that girl's... Where... That girl...
You know the girl - what's her address?
- The fuck... - What's wrong?
Just tell me what's her fuckin' address?
You went there the other day, mate.
Yeah, and I fuckin' forgot, didn't I?
Just tell me, what's her fuckin' address?
Sorry.
Nicky's not here, J.
Is everything alright?
Yeah.
Was she with you last night?
Yeah, I think she went to stay at Danielle's place.
I'm just gonna use the toilet, if that's OK.
Yeah, sure. Fine.
- Darren? - J, you've got to get out.
Pope just left here in a bad way and he's heading over there.
Well, how does he know where I am?
I don't know. Just get out, alright, man? You've gotta get out, alright?
Just go, OK?
OK?
OK.
Hey, Gus, um, would you be able to give me a lift somewhere, please?
Mate, I've got a shitload of work to do here. I'm sorry, mate.
It's just that I'm a bit late and it's down near the shops and that.
Alright, just give us a moment.
You're gonna have to turn that off, buddy.
Yep, we're gonna go for a ride.
Here, whack that on.
OK, this is the stuff.
This Vietnamese place in Russell Street makes this.
Real chilli sauce. Smell that.
Don't suck it in.
Right, half a teaspoon of that, OK?
Keep the noodles on the stock
for another minute or so and then pull them off.
Or just taste them. You'll know when they're ready.
Then chuck the rest of the stuff in. You should be right.
Yep. Do I keep stirring?
Yeah. Why not?
- See you later. - Yep. See ya.
Ezra says don't get your hopes up about the committal.
But he said he...
.. there were strings he could pull.
They're all pulled.
How you keeping, hon?
Well, hold on, what did he say about getting a bail application in?
Is he on this thing or what?
Darren, honey.
Say something.
Speak to her.
What's going on in here?
Will you speak to Mum, you fuckin' sook?
What'd Ez say about whomping the bail application in?
What do you think he said?
It's been whomped. You're not getting bail.
What on earth made you think you were gonna get bail?
What do you think you're in here for?
- Don't fuckin' start up again, Mum. - Hey!
If you let anything happen to him in here...
What?
What are you gonna do?
Huh?
What are you gonna do, Mum?
Darren?
Baby.
Better do something.
- Hi. - Hello.
We gotta do something about J.
What do you mean?
We gotta do something about J.
He's got to go.
He's in witness protection, Janine.
You know what witness protection means.
Here's the address of where he's staying.
Get in the car.
You really want to go down this path? We're still working on this.
Where did you get this?
I've been around a long time, sweetie.
J's turned and he's not coming back.
Even if the boys get off,
I won't be seeing J again.
And I don't want Darren to rot in that jail.
If my boys go down, that's it.
I got no-one left.
J's gone,
whatever happens.
We got to set up a meeting. Is your office safe?
Look, I know you got a problem, Janine.
But I don't see how this mess your boys are in
has got anything to do with me.
So if you've called me in here to see if there's some strings I can pull,
then you're way off course.
Is that what this is about?
Hey, Randall, before you go on,
this boy who's currently being looked after -
tell me if you agree with this -
this boy who's being looked after, he knows who you are.
And you know how these things go.
They're gonna ask him all sorts of questions
about everything he's ever seen or done.
Everyone he's ever met.
The whole shemozzle.
And you've done some bad things, sweetie.
Haven't you?
I want this part to be clear.
This is not about you doing me a favour
or... me blackmailing you, anything like that.
It's just a bad situation for everyone.
Ezra's got the address.
It shouldn't be too hard to set up a raid on the house.
There'd be reasonable grounds, what with all the strange activity,
the comings and goings day and night.
One of the neighbours might've seen a gun or something.
This is your area of expertise.
I'm not trying to tell you how to suck eggs.
What do you think?
I really don't see how anything can be done, Janine.
Randall...
...I feel sick about this.
I'm not happy at all,
not one little bit.
But we do what we have to do. We do what we must.
Just because we don't want to do something
doesn't mean it can't be done.
Hey!
They're cops.
Jesus Christ, what the fuck are cops doing here?
Who says they're cops?
'Cause they're wearing fucking flak jackets, it makes them cops?
- Who else would it be? - I don't fuckin' know.
They're wearing flak jackets with fuckin' 'Police' written on them.
- So what do we do? - We surrender. There's six of them.
- I'm not taking them head-on, mate. - They're fuckin' cops!
I don't care who they are, mate. I'm not fighting a war.
I'm not fighting a war over some fuckwit kid!
Fuck that! I'll shoot him myself.
What are we gonna do?
I don't fuckin' know what we're gonna do. What are you gonna do?
That's it. I'm done.
What?
Oh... Fuck!
Police! Open up!
Open the fucking door! Open the door or we'll bust it down.
- We're witness protection. - Fuck.
Don't fuck around. Open it now!
- Alright. OK. OK. - Oh, fuck.
Shit.
You'd think the executives at that station,
they need a new host for their show,
they could find someone with straighter teeth.
I don't mind his personality
but his mouth's so off-putting.
Oh, my goodness.
I need to talk to you.
- What you doing here? - Is there anyone inside?
Just my neighbour Helen, love.
I wanna get Pope out of jail.
I can't live like this.
Of course, dear.
I want to set up a meeting with Ezra
and that barrister from the committal.
OK. Of course.
I don't trust Ezra
so I'm not going to anyone's house.
It has to be somewhere public.
But it also has to be somewhere no-one we know would go.
OK, honey. OK.
Mate, if you really want to help the boys,
coming home is the thing to do.
I'm not coming home. I'm not safe there.
Yes, you are, dear.
No, I'm not.
I'm not safe in witness protection either,
but I'd rather take my chances there.
You'll be safe at home, honey.
You can't promise me that.
I can. I can.
I'm not coming home. I'm going back there.
I'm just letting you all know that I'm here to help.
I think J's made his position clear.
Where that leaves us now is to decide how best to proceed,
given the brave offer of assistance he's made.
You know, this thing's going to trial with or without J, that's a given.
What we want is to win it.
You know what I liked about the committal hearing?
Despite the fact that we've been ordered to stand trial, of course.
But what I liked about the committal was that for the most part,
their case looked pretty flimsy to me.
Largely dependent on witness testimony
that shouldn't be too hard to discredit, I wouldn't have thought.
And if the committal's any indicator, then J here's their star witness.
Without him, they'll need to strengthen their brief,
which they will do with something else.
Personally, I'd rather tackle the evidence I saw at the committal
than any rejigged brief they come up with
should J suddenly decide to leave.
You know what I mean?
So I think we should just get into it.
There's a bunch of things we'll need to go through...
Come with me.
- Where have you been? - Hiding.
You shouldn't have left the house. Where did you go?
I was hiding.
It was the Drug Squad who raided the house today.
OK? They'd been told something funny was going on here.
It was just a fuckin' mix-up.
Now, you're not in any danger, alright?
I need you to understand that.
- OK? - OK.
Did anybody see you out there today?
No.
OK.
You alright?
I'm fine.
I think courtrooms make everyone feel a little bit nervous.
You ready?
Coming down.
Your girlfriend, Nicole, died from a heroin overdose.
- Is this true? - Yes.
And is it true you believe your uncles were responsible for this?
- Yes. - How?
They injected her.
Maybe don't rush your answers.
The more hesitant you are, the more uncertain you'll appear, OK?
How's he gonna remember all this?
He doesn't need to. It's better if he doesn't.
We don't want him reciting lines.
He just needs to get into the swing of it,
wrap his head around the flavour of it.
Do you understand that, J?
So you're saying they forcibly injected her
with what's known as a 'hot shot'.
Yes.
- Did you see them do it? - No.
Was she known to you to be a user of heroin?
Sometimes, yeah.
Was she? This is me talking now.
No.
Then say no. You don't need to lie.
Was there any reason why on this particular night
she might have wanted to use heroin?
Maybe.
Why maybe?
I broke up with her.
- That night? - Yeah.
So to some extent you feel responsible for Nicole's death.
I don't know, maybe to an extent.
But you want your uncles put away for it,
even though you didn't see them do it
and she was justifiably upset on this night
because you had ended the relationship.
You're looking for someone to blame
for something you feel responsible for.
Would you agree with that? Blah, blah, blah.
It's good.
- You feel OK? - You OK, sweetheart?
Yeah, I'm fine. Can you go grab us a drink or something?
Of course.
There must be a drink machine around here somewhere.
Have you worked out where you fit?
That's all due to this trauma.
Now, my family's been dragged through the mud over this.
And that kind of action plays heavy on your mind.
You know, the police go off on a tangent, fly off the handle,
and... wee young kid like J gets the idea
you can't even trust the law to work properly.
The justice system, yeah?
Um, OK.
Alright. Maybe that's enough of that.
Uh, Andrew, I was hoping to get some shots of you and Darren
reacting to the news of your acquittal on the TV.
What?
So we'd shoot you guys watching the TV
Like you're watching a news report of yourselves, celebrating.
No, I'm not doing that. I'm not a fuckin' monkey.
Can I dial out from here?
No, these might be different. They're OK? Alright.
Don't know that we need that, do we?
Hi.
I just want you to know I don't bear you any ill will, Mr Leckie.
I really don't.
You were just doing your job.
I hope you catch the people who did that terrible thing.
If you're as smart as I think you are,
you'd know to walk right on by me
Like we've never seen each other before in our lives,
and you'd know to feel lucky.
You'll come unstuck.
I've got a feeling about it.
I think you do too.
I reckon you probably carry that feeling around with you
every second of the day.
But I don't, Nathan.
Hey, Grandma.
I was wondering when I'd see you again.
Been missing ya.
You OK?
Yeah, I'm OK.
Um, is it OK if I move back here?
I don't really know where else to go.
Course.
You want food? You look Biafran.
No, thanks.
I think I want to go lie down for a bit.
You don't want to eat? Pope's cookin'.
No, thanks.
OK, sweetie.
Your room's still there.
I've missed you.
Say hi to the guys.
You know what I mean? It doesn't do anything.
Doesn't cook anything, you know.
Hey.
Hey, mate.
You hungry?
No. I just came out to say hi.
I'm gonna go lie down for a bit.
Alright, mate.
It's a crazy fuckin' world.